USA BOI findings - Page 11

Hodie You said "It is not a violation of rules to have two separate trials, on two different days. The issue regarding the club mentioned above was about other related issues." WRONG.... This was the issue, the club held 2 events for 2 organizations on the SAME day (not 2 different days) which IS a violation. Period. Frank

lAUGHING....COME ON NOW, THIS CLUB HAS HAD SO MANY TRIALS AND SHOWS THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK!

Maybe if you Stop laughing you would be able to read... reread what I said.... This had NOTHING to do with filling out paperwork. They held 2 different events for 2 different organizations on the SAME day. Violation. Period. Frank

<<>>> Regarding E-Ballot #25-06 NO! On a Sunday, USA Club "O.G. Wesconn SchH club" Held a breed survey with SV Lothar Quoll with a USA Authorization. On the same Sunday WDA club "Wesconn Schaeferhund Verein" Held a SchH trial with SV Bernhard Premm with a WDA Authorization. 2 Different clubs with different contact persons, under different organizations, with different Judges, with different trial secretaries.....no violation. The E-Ballot #9-04 (Event Authorizations)is very specific ""Regional Director has the authority to automatically suspend a club for one year if it is found to have hosted another organizations event on the same day as that given on a USA Event Authorization. "" Unless O.G. Wesconn SchH Club is also a WDA club which it is not then it is impossible to violate this rule. We know USA club O.G. Wesconn SchH club and WDA club Wesconn Schaeferhund Verien have some of the same members. BUT! as long as you have two separate clubs under two different Organizations then "O.G. Wesconn SchH club" is not in violation. I am not choosing sides here. I am neither for or against the RD, O.G. Wesconn, USA etc. What I base my decision on is the actual cold hard facts presented to us and if this would have been in court it would have been thrown out a long time ago. If you are still confused ask yourself this question "How can a USA club host a WDA trial on the same day it was authorized to host a USA event. UNLESS WDA is allowing USA clubs to Host WDA events it's imppossible??? Uwe

Uwe I was at the event that day. I was there from the moment they started the Conformation show and into the Breed survey and then I , and a group of other people, stayed after to train on the field (a football stadium) The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is... There was NO trial held that day at all. They filed false paperwork with the SV, through the WDA, and now they have a problem with holding 2 events on the same day. If it was as cut and dry as you say, why did the EB vote to uphold the suspension? Because they are NOT 2 completely seperate clubs. They could always prove that they didn't do it, but that would be admitting to the SV and WDA that they filed paperwork for a trial that NEVER took place. Uwe, I have heard nothing but good things about you but you are backing the wrong side in this... Frank

Frank, I don't dispute anything you say as you are not the first to say this. But As long as O.G. Wesconn SchH club and Wesconn Schaeferhunde Verein proved that they were two different clubs, under two different organizations, with two different checking accounts with two different contact people we cannot suspend them under the E-Ballot #9-04 as it is currently written. Just like O.J. many belive he was guilty many beleive he was innocent. But it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. And as it stands right now there is more evidence in hand to show that there is 2 seperate clubs. If this goes to court we may have a problem. Remember it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Uwe

Frank, You did not read my post carefully. I said nothing about holding two different events for two different organizations on the same day. I do not know what the rule is on that issue. I think it should not matter at all, but who cares. The bottom line is that IF false paperwork was filed with the SV and ANY organization that a trial was conducted and it really was NOT conducted, that should have been the real issue. Unfortunately, we are so concerned with always trying to screw every other organization that probably most of the members do not even know what is allowed and what is not. I will say this: it is WELL known that there are many clubs with the same people in them who have two different club names and those clubs belong one to USA and the other to WDA. Some of our regional directors have been part of this in the past. I do not care one bit. If there was not such BS between the leaders of the two organizations it might not be such an issue. What should be the real issue is whether there was cheating, not whether some stupid rule was broken. And apparently, from what Uwe says, no rule was broken.

<<>> And that's a seperate issue that regardless of which organization should have been addressed. <<<>>> There would be a lot less stress and we would be able to concentrate more on our dogs/training/showing. Uwe

Uwe, If I may ask where are you located? Were you at the event? Here is a tiny bit of information for you to consider. Where are the trials and shows held for O.G. Wesconn SchH club? Where are they held for Wesconn Schaeferhund Verien? Who signed the lease for this location and who provides the insurance? Could someone give the names of the officers of both clubs in question? Would it be possible for the rest of us to see what the relationship is? And who is the trial / show secretary of both events? Thanks, Don

Forgive me a few more afterthoughts. When the entire package is submitted to the EB, could someone please show receipts for the judges expenses (both judges) for that weekend. Who paid? And I can only suggest that, in the best interest of both organizations and the breed, there be a spirit of cooperation to resolve this issue. If there was something unethical done then both organizations should cooperate to eliminate such occurences in the future. Don