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by Uglydog on 31 July 2008 - 15:07

Technically I cant.

My paid dues were not forwarded to the club.  He acts as treasurer  as well.  Little conflict of interest?  Dues were embezzled.

SchH USA demands a Member pay $75 to file it & 'investigate', yet this criminal has accrued More Criminal Charges SINCE becoming a USA Member.   There are others that have been harmed as well, Most write it off are embarrassed  & move on.

SchH USA has sold out, placing money above ethics. Thats my story & am sticking to it.


by hodie on 31 July 2008 - 16:07

 Ugly Dog,

That is a cop out. If indeed you have proof of paying USA membership fees to the club (which is highly unusual and dues are $60 per year for singles anyway), then you make that part of the complaint. So what you are telling me is baloney. File a charge. If indeed he owes you so much money, hell, the $75 filing fee, which I also disagree with, but which is returned should you prove your case, should be nothing. I would be filing in a heartbeat if he did the things you say he did to me. Put your money where your mouth is!

And just to be clear, I think he should have been kicked out a long time ago....but then again, fortunately, I am not stupid enough to get involved with someone like this.....

File charges Ugly and do everyone a favor. Hell, I bet people would even contribute to the filing charge.


by Uglydog on 31 July 2008 - 16:07

Hodie,

I have an email from Nia that states just that! 

I cannot file because Im not a member, because Helser didnt forward my dues.

SchH USA has no ethics, imo.  As long as youre not a Felon you can be a Director and/or Officer or club President.  You can be a wife beater or misdemeanor drug dealer. Matters not to them.

Their only interest is the Dollar, They want money because they've lost so many people. They allow criminals in their organization. They have no standards of conduct it appears.

Id post my emails, but its private correspondence.  If you get permission from Nia Cotrell, Ill gladly post all correspondence with her, but Im considering a lawsuit against USA at this time. F*ck em..   I also have forwarded video of Helser to them.  For naught,  it would appear.

I do have a friend that is a member that will file, but USA will do nothing, we've already done 3 way a conference call.  USA wil llost many good members.


by hodie on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Ugly Dog,

I appreciate the fact that you do not post someone's correspondence to you without their permission. However, if I had the beef you have, I would personally rush my dues into USA and FILE. I WOULD FILE, not a friend, I WOULD. If you go about it the wrong way, whether you or I agree that the process is f**cked up in how it must be done, then no, nothing gets done. But to complain and do nothing is disingenuous too. USA may do nothing. I have seen cases where I felt they were less than correct in how they handled a complaint. But doing nothing on your part, or all the others who constantly have posted what this guy has done in the dog arena does little to make the situation better and frankly, without following the process, then no, nothing probably will be done. But then, it is YOUR responsibility to see something is initiated. Then, if they do nothing, that will be another matter. If you have a good case, proof, as I believe exists in another case that may be filed where someone abused and neglected dogs, then if they do nothing, there is a real complaint and many of us would speak out again. But if no complaint, then we can do nothing. And, based on the way USA does business, like it or not, they can do nothing.

Why file a lawsuit when you have not yet done the most basic thing to put your complaint on a real footing?

File charges. Period. I am sure there are others who will join you.

 


Mystere

by Mystere on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Ugly, By all means, PLEASE post the ENTIRE correspondence between yourself, Michle Scarberry and me.Just be absolutely sure to post the ENTIRE correspondence. You have been told, repeatedly, since last OCTOBER 2007 the procedure to file and encouraged to do so. In June 2008, you claimed that charges would be filed immedately. None were. You have also been advised, repeatedly, that crminal charges are not criminal convictions, and it is the evidence of convictions that must be presented. That has not been done,either. This IS America, and everyone, including assholes, has a right to due process. Period. If Al Queada takes over, it will probably be different and anyone can be subject to being arrested, prosecuted, disciplined, banned, or executed, without bothering with such things as due process, depending on who like whom, whose religion or fashion sense is acceptable, etc. Get it? Without a specific procedure to file charges, and following it, a disciplinary procedure would be nothing more than a bullystick abused by the equivalent of the high school "cool kids" on those kids who didn't have the cool clothes. :-) inother words, ripe for abuse.

by hodie on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Mystere,

Thought there was more to it than this.....As I said, he should FILE and make sure he has a case with good evidence to prove his case. 


by Uglydog on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Mystere,

I wasnt a USA member, my dues were embezzled or 'lost' by the President/Treasurer.   But we did a conference call with one who was and IS a USA member.  She is emailing you today.

She filed a claim with you. The claim was lost and sent to the wrong department and never forwarded to your department.  We did a conference call with you, &  We were seemingly  burderened to 'Prove a case' as you 'fear reprisal lawsuits from the accused',  despite the fact that he is a Criminal and is continuing his criminal behavior.  Its public record for Petes Sake. Look it up, More convictions & charges.

Ive sent you video, Ive sent you his record. All 84 counts, with new convictions since being a USA member.

Based on our conversation and with a member, it did not seem as though you take this very seriously. You dont. You allow anyone with the  exception of a Felon,  to hold an officer position.  

No background check is required of club Presidents. You set no standard. There are no ethics it would appear.

Helser has not abided by the USA By-Laws, of holding his bi annual  trial as is required to. None of this seems to concern you however.

As a matter of principle, we may file the charges. 

But Ill bet you an expensive steak dinner that nothing will come of it..Ill talk to my member friend.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a stand up, caring & class organization.   Im a member of several UKC HRC, VDD GNA, JGHV.  They would not tolerate criminal & have strict codes of conduct of members & officers. 

It should be an honor & priveledge to be a member. I wish that you would treat it as such. Allowing Criminals with 5 page rap sheets who continue to be criminals is not what I call honorable. Im sorry that you think it is as such.


gsdDanny01

by gsdDanny01 on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Hello,
I can share some light on Bill ( Uglydog ) and this Timothy Helser crap .

Bill paid $50.00USD cash in Club dues to Timothy Helser Of O.G. Schutzhund and working K-9 club late Dec. 05 . Club dues was 400 each year and it is for things that the club needs only . EACH member was to be a member of USA also and Bill never was and was told many times he needed to be and as he was not he was not a full member of Tims club .he now says Helser didnt forward his dues to USA , Well it was on him to be come a member of USA and to pay all dues to the club and membership to USA . as far as Timothy club it is a private training club that was looking into forming into a Schutzhund USA member club but has not as of today. I do know that Bill trained with one other club before going to Tims club in Dec of 05 and was not happy with them too . and Tim was able to help his dog alot . As far as why bill is so upset is Bill loaned Tim 1500.oo to help him out and Tim never paid him back in the 90 days that he was too so bill stoped coming to the club and then started going on here talking crap about him . Up till then he loved tims training and was happy with all of what Tim had done with his dog . Just searh the messageboard and you can see that what I say is true . Eaven if Tim did all of this Bill was never a member of USA or a full member of the club there for he can nor could file with BOI with USA also there is a time limit on when you can file with the BOI . Also he says Tim has been accumulated more criminal charges while a member. I know for a fact this is untrue other then a few traffic .. as he was charged with Impersonating an officer a few year ago in 03 i think and was found not guilty and also was Animal cruelty in 07 and he again was found NOT guilty on counts as there was NO evedance of he doing anything wrong !!! Now not saying Tim has not done things in the past that was not right but to keep on bringing up crap about him when he was found NOT Guilty is not right ! AS FAR as Bill talking about Tims Criminal Counts ( he is not alone , Bill has had many Criminal Counts of Assult ) also has 5 homes RIGHT now in Forecloser as he is a slum land lord and cant pay his bills ! Bill has NEVER Titled a dog in SchH or PSA or anyother protection dog sport , he clames he has in UKC hunnting , wow . Now I am not sticking up for Tim at all . He has done wrong also but what is beeing wrote here by Bill and others is only part of the truth and is not right . ]
As far as Tim , I know many of you dont like him ,...Bill is a Criminal  TOO !


by Uglydog on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Nice try Tim

My assult case happened over 20 years ago.   I plead no contest, despite the fact that I put someone in the hospital after defending myself. I dont have so much as a traffic ticket in 20+ years. I since attained a BA from a public university.

I have over 1 dozen rental properties in my LLC.  Four  ARM loans adjusted & Deeds have been offered back to the lender, in lieu of foreclosure,   those in question have declined in value & cant be refinanced.  Such is the real estate market. I worry about that which I can control, not that which I cannot..  Ive never operated as a 'Slum lord'.  I have no complaints from tenants or the city for that matter.  You need worry about your own business practices, not mine.


Cash was  indeed given to Helser, & paperwork was filed.  Helser has all of this.  It was Required by Helser to Become a USA Member. That is why my paperwork is on file. Dues & paperwork were not sent on. I did indeed train at a small club and was unhappy with my dogs progress, not the club or its operators. They were repectable & ethical. Youre not, but a Con.

Trust was placed in Helser partly because he represented SchH USA.   He Lied & Misrepresented his '13 SchH 3 titles' that dont exist either.  I began to see Avoidance issues & became concerned. I saw them in Lonny's dog. I saw them in Shad's dog.  In my own dog.

Tim, your reputation has caught up with you. There are too many disgrunteled people. I wont name names but there are several & we are building a case against you.   

The Animal Control officer who cited you with Animal Cruelty,  had the wrong court date & didnt show, thats why you were found not guilty.  We spoke to her directly.   How many times to you ask for continuation from the Court?  Your usual ploy, you did it with me also in our court case.

If you want to 'discuss' this in person you have my address.  8050 Beckett. West Chester. Come on down.


Mystere

by Mystere on 31 July 2008 - 17:07

Bill, I cannot allow such misrepresentations without response. You have NEVER sent me anything, aside from your emails. I have given permiission to post the email correspondence here, as you stated you intended. Do so. I have received NO video, and NO charges, and no rap sheet from you. I specifically gave you the address of the USA Secretary, as that is where charges are to be filed. I also told you that charges had to be filed within a year of the incident giving rise to the charge (or w/in a year ofd the time one should reasonably have known). Go ahead and post the entire correspondence.





 


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