Be honest : Is this your dog? - Page 4

Again...respected by who? I really don't care. I've read statements like that before, probably know the person you're talking about. Meh. Doesn't impress me. I can tell you a million reasons why people make statements like that. Until you get out there and REALLY understand who YOU SHOULD respect and who you shouldn't...you won't have a clue. I can tell you that 99% of people on the internet are NOBODY in real life. The internet makes it seem like they're someone, but the world is so fractured, and no one really wants to step on anyone's toes, that no one tells you the truth about people. And the last place you'll ever hear the truth about someone is on a public internet forum. You’re still using other people’s opinions to base your own off of. Now instead of dog training, you’re listening to other’s opinions on who you should respect and who you shouldn’t. You’ve probably never met the guy in real life, you have no idea what he’s done or how much of what he puts on the internet is true, but you repeat those statements…why? They sound good, they make YOUR dog sound exceptional. By the way…I’m not judging your dog at all, I don’t care about your dog at all, I’ve never seen a video, and have just skimmed the threads about the behaviors you’re seeing. I have no real opinion either way because if I did…I’d be basing my opinion on YOUR observations…and unfortunately (and don’t take this the wrong way) your observations are probably lacking and not 100% accurate due to your lack of experience with dogs.

I know exactly the types of people that poo-poo and diminish sport dogs and sport dog handlers/trainers/helpers. Like I stated at the end of my post…most of it is jealousy and a lack of ability to do what those people do. Can’t qualify for a national trial? Make up some reason why your dog is “more real” than the dog on the podium. You know who’ll listen and applaud? The people who also can’t get their dog on a podium. So there’s your following. There’s your respect. Just based on saying what people like to hear, saying things that make people’s and their dog’s weaknesses sound like they’re actually strengths. It’s very easy to do, it’s simple human nature.

So Bav
you think what we know about legends like Gero, Cordon,  Titus, Nero, Ingo, Zorro and Ex  are just PR driven ?

Mithuna, "legends" are just legends, not necessarily the truth ( and to make it more difficult: my truth may be the total opposite of another one´s truth )....
and no trainer/dog whisperer on earth is able to acknowledge the advantages/disadvantages/drive/temperament/character of your dog without seeing and testing your dog - everything said online can only be a GUESS, but not the truth.

Don´t believe in online gurus, only believe in reality ( training, and evaluation based on training ).

and Bav here is a statement from someone who actually owned Navar Hronovsky Pramen, and whom I know: I highlighted a part of her statement about Navar. Do you think she is lying or that Navar  was just a PR covered weak nerve dog? She says clearly that other than family, he would bite anyone who would want to approach him.

 

" Navar produced many dogs who were not for first time owner's, he produced some serious dogs I saw it early on in the pups, many of his puppies depending the mother of course are good protection and tracking dogs but always had hard time with OB, I have two daughters from Navar,..... it took much longer time to do the obedience and even one has IPO 3 it was not an easy task for her and I know that she is not the typical sport/competition dog for sure! Navar was also very hard dog and OB wasn't his best, he needed to be trained often and as good as he was to me and the kids, he would bite any other person who would want to approach him. "

have to disagree BW
todays sportdogs can function well without dominance, hardness,civil agression and even lack of courage can be overcome when IN DRIVE

where 15 years ago alot of sportdogs(pedigreedogs) were used for policework, we see more and more shift to non pedigree mix GSd/mali etc being bred and used for police
Netherlands have a big history for that in KNPV, but also in countries like Czech republic and Slovakia there are huge breedingprograms for production of policedogs, simply because purebred dogs in general are NOT producing these type of dogs anymore

When people say that first thing tested is balldrive that is true, but that is for detection only, good patroldogs need other qualities

someone responded to a muzzlework video from me once asking where is the reward for the dog, now that is just the catch
Natural behaviour doesnot need rewarding to keep it functional, trained behaviour does.

dogs that do bitework in prey ONLY are a liability in patrolwork as they might not recognize a situation as trained before and fail(whitehouse fencejumper in underwear is known example)

believe me, more and more departments worldwide want something more than ballhappy dogs for patrolwork

Look at who your information is coming from...THE OWNER OF THE DOG.

Do you think the owner is going to tell you negative things about the dog? Really? You're just quite blind to human nature. You're blind to the fact that people do make a living off of these things and will say what is necessary to ensure they keep making that living. You just proved my point with that statement…there’s always a reason why someone fails at training. It’s never their lack of ability, it’s always something else. Can’t train the dog in OB? Must mean the dog is this or that…can’t be that you just can’t train the dog in OB or that the dog just isn’t biddable.

Keep basing your opinions and knowledge off of highly biased and subjective opinions, it will get you far. It will give you a reason when you fail to achieve a goal with your dog, you’ll figure out how to spin your failure or your dog’s failure in a positive light, everyone always does. It’s just sad when people actually believe them.

Bav, there are dogs like that.
Duke, we are talking about a family pet, not about a police prospect.

Dump question from a German fool - who is "Navar" and what makes him special enough to believe this dog is the kind of dog to look for? I just googled, and I found a sable ZVV3 dog ( not going to pick on this dog, I don´t know him, and the internet doesn´t help in this case, but there are a lot of sable dogs out there, and ZVV3 only tells me, that the owner titled the dog to ZVV3 instead of selling him immediately, at least in Europe no huge amount of progeny, and he was not used by well known kennels, but honestly, I am not used to Czech dogs ).

I watched gero and Nero videos if we got the same dog. If you never heard the legend and just watched the videos you would not think they were special in any way.

Real life might be different but mithuna is not talking about real life he is talking about internet opinion.  

Susie , if you want a familypet , why take a workingbreed and recreate it into couch potatoe
and maybe you read topic different than me LOL

Bav ..btw that Lady is a wealthy farmer, and breeding Czech dogs is her hobby; her litters sells out quickly. And what is your proof that she must be " lying" ? Anyway...here is another expert: "I think these more naturally aggressive dogs that are not so common today probably did not all have the same traits triggering their aggression. As I have said before, some of these dogs probably were more socially aggressive, a trait that has been bred away from for various reasons, but largely because society today, in general, doesn't condone socially aggressive dogs..... such dogs were not neccesarily more defensive, because social aggression isn't triggered by defense, but by pack heiarchy and dominance. Some of these old style, "warrior" type dogs probably had a strong active defense, where genetically, they were prone to bite first when they perceived a threat. So this type of dog would be more defensive in nature. I also think there are people who have a great deal of experience with the breed and who have competed and won in sport at the international level, who would consider such dogs as abnormal, overly aggressive, and not good represntatives of the breed. They might suggest that a dog that bites someone outside of his pack, merely because the person is not a pack member, as unstable and overly defensive. I don't neccessarily agree with that notion."

WHAT PROOF DOES ANY OF YOU HAVE THAT THESE PEOPLE  MAKING THEIR STATEMENTS HAVE NO EXPERIENCE OR DONT WORK DOGS, BUT ONLY THE PBD EXPERTS DO?