What are my girls physical flaws and strengths - Page 7

Funny, I remember a banner on the Long Island Expressway warning people against buying a GSD from Frank.  I also remember an ad in Newsday's classified about a class action law suit against Frank and the poor dysplastic puppies he was selling.  Then this same "Frank" got into German Show line Dogs.  He also became an AKC judge just to sell his puppies.  I went to him in 1994 looking to buy a GSD puppy, he was puzzled when I said "no thanks, I'm not interested in any of your dogs.  Smooth salesman though.   This can't be the same "Frank" as 4 pack points out?  Although the website is the same.   I was really un happy when I heard he got into German GSD's.   He was a blight on the American GSD for years.  I can only hope he has little or no impact on German line GSD's. 

Wow!  I go away for a weekend of training dogs  and come back to find I caused quite a stir.  Good.  Controversy is good, it makes people think about who says what and more importantly the value of what they write.  However, before I attempt  to respond to some of the more deleterious things I have read posted, I wanted to post something I received in my mailbox. 

Being its Monday, I might be able to get it in before there are to many responses.  I think it will have to be split in half.  I have given full credit to the author.  The strength and impact of his words, even the phrasing are a lot like my own and those of others.  In a world of wimps and woosies, here is a man unafraid to speak his mind.  Unfortunately, he will no doubt be accused of being me.  God forbid!  Anyone wishing to see the original post, I'll be happy to crosspost it to you privately.  Some of you might try substituting the words "politicians, PETA,  etc" with "self seving message boards postings"

Part 1

The below statements (in their entirety, but not in complete order of context were taken from an article written by John Yates) he has given permission to cross post his document on the Internet.  John raises hunting dogs, whose breeders are now under attack by the PETA people in VA ,  and other states.  However, I am including it here, because anytime an individual has the "cojones" to stand up and speak their minds in a civil manner they come under attack by a myriad of lesser breeders who feel we must all say nice things about each others efforts even when they do not live up standards which we  feel are not as high as our own.

Part 2

Part 3

Does that feed my ego? Yep. I like having my ego stroked. Don't you? If you don't, you are in very deep trouble as a human being.  I am proud, too, that I am producing dogs that are so intelligent that it's scary, so loyal that they can be your complete partner in the field while also possessing the extreme independence needed to do their job well, so loving that you want them with you every second of the day, so bold and brazen that nothing bothers them, and just plain drop-dead gorgeous to boot.  They make me smile a lot. I think I make them smile, too.  But, the animal rights whackos say I am doing it for the money. They accuse me of exploiting animals for profit.

Yep. Every chance I get. I am very happy when I am able to sell a puppy for cold, hard cash. It makes me feel good.  It makes me feel good because it shows me that someone appreciates the work I am doing. It makes me feel good because I have earned it, and earned it honestly.  My only regret is that I have not made more money as a breeder. With all of the sacrifices I have made and the hard work I have done, I should be rolling in money.  There are dogs that are in competition, and that costs bushels of money, not to mention old dogs that are retired and have a home here until they die of old age. Almost a third of the dogs in my kennel are elderly and retired, and it takes a lot of money to care for them.  It takes money for dog food, supplies, veterinary bills, kennel licenses, repairs, vehicle use for training and field trials, advertising, internet, phone bills, and four pairs of good boots a year. It takes money. Lots of money. Bundles of money.

Oh, Lord, please help me to sell some more puppies!

Besides, what's wrong with making money? It is a rather fundamental American value. Making money is something to be proud of, as long as it's done honestly

Nice article by John Yates.  For the record, no one who frequents this board has anything nice to say about PETA.  This has nothing to do with what is happening here, nor were you ever under attack for "speaking your mind in a civil manner".  People got their panties in a twist because you have come off like an arrogant jerk.  You may not be that way in real life, but your posts here make you sound as if you feel there is no room for anything but a black and red showline VA dog.   That's where you are wrong.  Obviously we aren't impressed by big wads of cash being thrown around.  If that meant anything to us we wouldn't be in working line dogs - and that's a fact.   Also I know many breeders of show line dogs who's motive is not the almighty buck - they actually care more about the breed.   You need to come off that arrogant high horse of yours and recognize not everyone  - especially in the world of  the GSD feels the world begins and ends in a show ring.  Breeders who are kennel blind or refuse to acknowledge there is a problem in the  work ethic in the breed are  downright disgusting to most of us.  In fact, many of us are very alarmed with breeders who say "so what"  regarding the problem of the work ethic and feel this is the biggest problem facing  the breed today.

First, lets deal with the number of people, who like I, reiterated the faults and others I pointed out as to why the owner should not breed the particular bitch in question.  What should concern all of you, is when the person that caused all this uproar wrote,"Thanks for your comments Veronica but I am not planning on breeding her any time soon. IF i ever breed her it will be to a proven male only but I have no plans on it at this point in life. 

They fail to say, after receiving so many comments to the contrary(no matter how nicely worded), they won't breed her.  I also found it amusing the dogs name was" Phoenix", the kennel name of the breeder everyone assumes is me!<BEG>

From Sueincc to Paranshep:

SUE: " People got their panties in a twist because you have come off like an arrogant jerk."

Response:  Whether I am arrogent or not, its about the dogs and whether or not what I said was the truth.  If it is factual truth and not innuendo or implied slander, then the statements should stand.

  You may not be that way in real life, but your posts here make you sound as if you feel there is no room for anything but a black and red showline VA dog.  

 Response:  Quite the contrary, read the response I gave to a previous question of yours regarding the breeding of all dogs.   

RESP:  Seems to me you are the one that is bringing in all these subjective questions.  My statements were direct and straight forward regarding a minimal "G" rating on a dog for breeding in addition to good hips and Sch titles.  These things are just as compulsory as requiring Sch training.  By the way, I know of quite a few American Shepherd(GSDCA/AKC) breeders doing SAR and herding work with their dogs too.   Please note, I take the time to address each question/ comment of yours as written, nothing assumed.  Why not deal with me in the same manner?

All things considered, P'Shep, I assume that you are very happy indeed that YOU are not Phoenix Shepherds. I wouldn't want to be him either.