BEST IN PROTECTION? - Page 2

I think that is difficult to rate the work in any order unless it is shown on a common ground and normal helper work. I know both the helpers that were at Nashville and I thought I would see more of a test, but did not. I would like to see the dog on the trial field and see how they work. And for the dogs listed about, can someone provide examples of progeny that is doing well on the working side? I agree with the Xasko note. I was able to see this dog train and trial, show both here and in Germany. Serious dog, good balance of defense, worked well on any helper without being heated up.

Who is Kodie, Dog1? Can you give a little more information about the dog? I agree that the TRUE working conformation dogs are few and far between. Many of them are so unknown as they end up with novice handlers, or people that don't really care for the whole show part of everything, or they don't have the ultimate structure everyone is looking for so they get passed over. That was one of my motivations behind mentioning Alihazi Gino from the 04 NASS. Dogs like this need more recognition for what they can do. Of course, I only saw the little bit shown off at the Sieger Show, but from what I saw, I would hope the rest of his work would be just as solid. There is a dog named Kimon Schloß Löwenherz that is also quite unknown. I believe he is now located in Texas and is being used as a cadaver and narcotics dog. He is SchH3 and IP3 and his bitework is absolutely fantastic! They are out there, the show dogs that can work. You may just have to look a little harder to find them.

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to comment on bite work you know i have a male who live eat and breaths bite work his drive is so that he drive me insane he never rest constantly going wanting to go and get the bad guy he always thinking about it he crazy for it but he will not out now you call that a problem or even a fault maybe in your game and i am sure if taught properly he may out but real life is not a game and if i had someone come in my home i dont think not outting would be a problem with me so i guess we all have different reasons we have our dog and for me a true protection dog is what i wanted its what i got i think its not such a bad thing if he doesnt want to let go of the bad guy

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Tcall: I noticed you did not comment on the dog leaving the helper just the outing. I am sure you know the difference in why some dogs do not release. If the dog is to high in drive and his eye glazes over and you know he is not going to release. (to high in drive, maybe a bit unclear) Maybe disobedience he/she learned they do not have to release when told (incorrect training maybe). Bad Nerves, they do not want to release because they maybe are insecure off the grip and can not stand with the helper alone. Or to soft of a dog and you can not teach the dog to release without getting him/her feelings hurt etc etc. There are many, many reasons and I did not say either way with the video I watched. The GSD should be strong enough to be protective as you talked about Tcall "BUT" they should also be strong & clear enough to take direction from the owner. That is one of the things that makes the GSD better than other working dog breeds. IMO :-)

Don't forget about VA Triumphs Gucci. I have lived with this dog and watched him train as well as compete. He qualified for the "World Team" and has partisipaed in Weltsmastercraft. In my opinion there is none that compares, especially in the USA. Solid nerves, joy and enthusiasm for the bite, absolutly ball crazy. Yet very social, but not gushy. All this combined in VA conformation! I am also VERY impressed with Indo Gleesthugal(?) I have also trained with Steve and Cindy and watched this dog up close and personal. VERY nice! Their other dog Uno is also nice.

Almost forgot!!! VA Triumphs Gucci also earned Mexican Universal Sieger in 2004!! AT 8 YEARS OLD!

"And for the dogs listed about, can someone provide examples of progeny that is doing well on the working side?" Bump....

I voted for Jaguar based in part for what he does/has produced. Check out James Turkenkopf. There were a couple females in the working class in Statesville as I recall. V6 dog was a Jaguar daughter. Ask a few of the helpers near Koblenz about the abilities he produces. He's well known there.