Eros, reclaiming your garentee - Page 2

Jantie Your examples are correct - if car or washing machine do not work - all things being equal - you can insist on replacement/refund. If you car can't wash your clothes, you cannot return car!!! If you buy dog as COMPANION, testicles make no difference. If both parties knew dog was intended for breeding and /or showing yes, then you could return etc. I have no intention to struggle with German translations today! Auf Wiedersehn.

Companion pets are typically neutered. For the long term health of a dog not breeding, altering enables a longer lived pet. Technically a pet should have zero testicles. Neuter your dog and enjoy him. He'll be a healthy long lived family companion. If you objected to having a pet with one testicle, you should have spoken up at the time of the sale. Did the breeder have a different contract and different price for a breeding dog? My guess is yes to both.

The only guarantee I see is for hips. If for some reason I have a male that only has one testicle, it would be sold as a pet since ALL my pet quality pups are sold with limited registration and spay/neuter contracts. One nut, doesn't matter, it was still sold as a pet. Now if you have paid for a working/show quality, then the testicles would've been guaranteed and the pup replaced. You got what you paid for. A pet that should be neutered anyway.

Het is right. The dog was purchased as a companion and a companion dog does not need testicles. A companion dog should be neutered. If the dog was sold as show quality It would require he had testicles. You cannot show a dog without two testicles (they check). Neutering a dog with a cryptorchid (not sure how to spell it) is a little more expensive than a normal neuter as the vet has to go into the abdomen for the other one (if there is another one undecended). Therefore if anything it would be respectful of Het to pay the extra expense. For example if a normal neuter from your vet is $100 and a cryptorchid neuter is $150 it would be nice of Het to pay the difference of $50. However, A dog sold as pet quality does not require replacement for a cryptorchid.

Hi there "vomlandholz"! You wrote: "Now if you have paid for a working/show quality (then the testicles would've been guaranteed) and the pup replaced." Is there any possibility of showing/copying such a complete contract that you yourself normally use and put it on this board? Doesn't matter when it's in German. Thanks for your trouble.

I bought a show quality dog with a cryptorchid. The breeder offered to replace the puppy or wait to see if it dropped by six months, if It didn't she would still replace it. The pup was purchased with the understanding it would be shown. This offer would not have been made if I purchased him for a pet. As a newbie I didn't know to check, but now I do and will always check. If I ever breed I will check all the pups and be sure to inform the customers at the time of sale of the situation. If this pup is being sold as a pet, this is why. If it is being sold as show quality then I would hold the pup until they drop (which should be within six months) then sell him as show quality. I wish my breeder would have checked the litter as she could have prevented this problem from the start.

Eros is this the same dog that you are trying to sell?

Sorry to confuse people, but I didn't sell him the dog. He placed this question in the articals and I couldn't respond, so I moved it over to this area....Again I am not the breeder or Seller of this dog. Heather

If I were the breeder of this dog, I'd just give back the money and find another home for this puppy. If this person has a dog for 8 months and is willing to "switch him for another" with no more emotion or concern he would have for sending his dented washing machine back to Sears, then why would the breeder even want him to have another dog in the first place? No one in their right mind should expect a dog sold as pet to have both testicles descended (or to have all its teeth, a perfect bite, correct angulation, etc). I fail to see the relevance of this thread, bought a pet, got a pet, what's the beef?

Jantie example of our contract http://www.grummajestat.com/Puppy%20Contract.htm vomland holz pet contract http://vomlandholz.com/page11.html vomLand Holz working contract http://vomlandholz.com/page9.html We never guarantee testicles on a pet puppy and the puppies missing testicle we have had always go to pet homes on nueter contracts. Eros it sounds like you knew what you bought end of story. If I sold you a pet you would have known he was missing a testicle at time of pick-up on the health certificate. Also if you had issues with this did you contact the breeder within your 48 hrs? Sorry I see no complaint you were sold a pet you recieved a pet.