Is £2000 too much to pay for importing a dog from Jinopo cz into the UK - Page 20

So you judge people according to their parentage? Maybe you were able to pick your parents, but most people can't. Guessing is usually not very accurate and is not in this case. Merry Christmas.

Let me expound upon the "poor breeding" comment. Because after thinking about it, and your post was very thought provoking as you intended it to be, I realized you are correct. Here's why: my biological father spent quite a bit of time in Raiford, ( bad temperament and bad nerves after serving in US Navy during all of WWII and US Air Force during Korean conflict) then died from COPD, (bad genetics temperament and health) , my mother (god rest her soul) was married to my biological father (poor judgment) and died a painful death from cancer ( bad genetics?) , one of my brothers committed suicide after serving in the US Air Force in the first Iraqi war ( bad nerves, bad genetics), my youngest brother was killed riding his Harley Chopper when someone ran over him when he was only twenty eight , leaving a widow and eight year old daughter behind (poor judgement due to bad genetics?) all four of my sisters have diabetes ( again, bad genetics) and, oh, snap! I have four missing teeth ( wisdom teeth!) Anyway, your right, poor breeding. But in my defense, I didn't choose my parents or I would have picked them with better genetics. So blame it on bad temperament(genetics) if you want, when I realized the crap H Bla has been pulling on me (not just the most recent conflict although that was probably the proverbial straw), I refused to suppress the anger any longer.

 JoanRo
Crap? What Crap? The "crap" that I have got for you  one of the best studs in Czech and actually a word class and proven stud  with  tremendous discount for you as an old client of mine? As matter of fact I gave you such a large discount  that my friends  Jiri and Peter in Jinopo called me an naive  idiot!?  You mean you are talking about a "crap" of me  offering you this top stud before you even new that he may be for sale ? 
Do you mean the "crap" of me getting you a  near perfect dog which I was going to get for myself for my breeding program in combination with Bady ze svobodneho dvora but instead offered him to you?
  You mean the "crap" because I believed and .. because  I thought that you were mine friend?
The "crap" of a dog which  you have said and I quote:"Now that we know each other I can say there's nothing I don't like about (this dog)....."
  Ore are  you actually talking about the "crap" of me getting this dog for you   because you were desperate (  your words) and urged me me to get you a stud  ASAP since your female(s) was ( were) getting in heat?  Are you talking about the "crap" where I talked Jiri into selling you this world class stud  before he wanted to release him from his breeding program.
 You mean the "crap" of me getting you this excellent stud instead of the dog  you were trying to buy from me instead? That is a   dog which would be total genetic misfit for your female?   And where you said;  I do not care about that,  I just need to breed this female?
 Are you talking of "crap" where  I let you promote your dogs, your pups and your kennel on my forum on my website? 
Are talking about crap of me also promoting this dog  for you myself by sending you my potential clients who wanted to use my stud Quint,  but instead I have send them your way because they live in your geographical area and I wanted to help you? ( I can show you the e mails) .
 Are you talking about the "crap" where in order to help you I asked you to repeat specific breeding and then I bought all the males for higher price that I would normally pay (I think it was 6 males) when I share litters with JINOPO?

 Is that the "crap" you are talking about?
That "crap" ?  Well do not worry there will be no more "crap" like this coming to you from AlpineK9 or Jinopo.
 Have a nice life.

Prager Hans
 

Chaz,
 my experience is that through different times  about 45%-60% of my clients x rays their dogs. That is a  statistically appropriate and  representative sample. What is happening with other breeders I do not know. I tend to believe that people who are buying top pups are also going to x ray their dogs after they mature, where people which are buying lesser pups for less money tend to not x ray their dogs.
 Fore example when I have discounted pup ( long coat or such) and i sell such pup for a fracture of the regular cost then these buyers just about never x ray theirr dog even so I urge them to do so because I do need to know what I am producing and I want to know  what the hips of my dogs look like.
Unfortunately to get higher percentage of people to x ray their dogs is hard.
 Prager Hans

Hans, I'm talking about all the "crap" you just spewed all over that post. I have been looking at Jiri's site for a protracted amount of time for a dog, because a dog I bought directly from you for the purpose of titling and breeding, three years ago has weak nerves ,therefore I won't use him . In fact when I called you and told you the dog had weak nerves, you said sell him and you'd sell me another dog. That didn't sound like a good idea to me, figured I'd just end up with other dog not suitable for breeding, so he's just a sixty five hundred dollar pet.So in my quest for a suitable stud dog for my breeding program, I saw a dog on Jiri's site that had been there for about three days, called you as broker for Jinopo and you said you'd been drinking too much beer and didn't want to talk about dogs and told me call the next day. This was on Sunday afternoon. Called you next day and you had to check on price for said dog( name starts with P) . Couple hours later I notice sale pending on "P" dog. Got you on the phone and I said I hope that sale pending is for me. No, turned out it wasn't ,but you said you had too many dogs and I should buy one from you. I said I didn't see anything you had that would suit me. You insisted on Orbe. I was shocked at your suggestion, because That dog doesn't even have papers with him, but you said yes he does, and sent a registration with ALL the info across the top omitted-- could have belonged to ANY dog. I didn't bite, and instead emailed Jiri and told him what I was looking for and how you were trying to sell me a dog already in Arizona which I didn't want, and did he have anything for me. Sent the message to him and I went out to feed the hoof stock. I was up the hill feeding the goats and phone rings. It's you telling me Jiri sent message offering me a choice of two dogs-- one was a good looking young dog named Derik. I liked him, but he is a Carly son and since I have a Carly daughter ( I don't do brother/ sister breedings) I passed. The other dog was one that is sire of my helper's wife's dog. They talked so highly of their dog since he was a pup and how great the sire was, I decided to go with older dog( only five years at the time). You said you didn't even know the dog was for sale and that you were surprised they even selling him. As far as advertising him on your site, that's bull. If you'd ever refered anyone to me it would have come with your fifty percent referral fee, so I know you didn't send anybody-- quite the contrary. As far saying I was desperate for a dog to breed to my bitch, that's more of your fabrication. I could have bred her to. the weak nerved dog I bought from you three years ago, that you assured me was a great dog because he's twice on Grim. And more bs about me not caring about a match for breeding to my bitch. First, you wouldn't have a clue who I was breeding because I didn't tell you. A few years ago, you told me send pedigrees of pair of dogs I was considering to breed together, and I received from you a nasty email stating " you'll get the papers on your dog, don't worry about it!!" Well I learned from that exchange that I needn't bother asking your expert advice on any proposed breedings of mine. So I don't share or explain any of my crosses with you. As far as that litter of pups goes, you did implore me to repeat the breeding. The pup I sent you from the previous litter (that mother dog's first litter) evidently impressed you enough that you said you want to buy the entire litter. I wasn't planning to breed her back because the pups aren't what should be placed with just the general public and I just placed ten pups from her. Some time during the pregnancy you said you only wanted the males. Then a little later you only wanted a couple of the males. I reminded you that this breeding was done per your request, and now you were gradually backing out. Eleven pups were born, I called to tell you there were six males. You said you would send two people to buy a couple pups from the litter and you wanted fifty percent for referral fee, that way you said you could afford to buy the others that were left. I did that, even though it is outrageous rate, so by the time you do the math, you ended up paying just over five hundred apiece for them. Pretty good deal for you and cheaper, I think than you pay Jinopo. Also, I would just like to stress, any urgency I may have conveyed to you regarding timeline with the purchase of a new stud dog, was my concern about receiving the import papers in less than the usual six to sixteen months, which has been my experience. I like to register my puppies before they're eight weeks old, not tell people" don't worry, you'll get your papers". So, overall, I'd say I've had all the experiences I need in order to change my great dog's name back to his registered name, Body. He even likes it now!

Can someone please bring this to an end its just getting stupid.

Actually I think this thread is pretty enlightening for people.
There are three sides to a story, version's A,B & of course C. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.


Do I think thats a lot of money for a puppy?
Yes..I do.

However, due to the potential purchasers location and import requirements, it may indeed be a bargain for them!

I also hope that the said puppy is in fact socialized as one vendor/broker here claims, because I have seen some of this particular vendor/brokers puppies/young dogs, and they generally are unsocialized.

For the OP, if you have to ask if thats too much, perhaps in your "gut" you feel it is. There are some real gambles with purchasing a puppy: hips/elbows, temperment/nerve etc. You might find young dogs for sale from a multitude of brokers that are already "Pet Passported" for the same or slightly higher price.
You would get a "known" quantity in regards to hips/elbows/temperment etc.

I would ask specifics on what "socializing" means to the broker of this particular pup, and ask for video proof as well.

Don't ever take someones word in dogs because they "seem" honest etc. Get it in writing!
People forget what they relay in conversations, if it's in writing you can both refer to that.
The only dumb question is one not asked. In this modern day, video is easy peasy, contracts can be emailed back and forth etc.

At the end of the day, the only thing you will have is that living breathing critter, and hopefully what you wanted to go along with your lighter wallet
The contract will be expensive to enforce, and thats providing there are no "loopholes" etc if you need to take action, so remember that part too.

Personally, I'd go for a slightly older green pup/dog..slightly better odds in the gamble

 To Joanro;
OMG. What a rant! What a concoction of 1/2 truths, innuendos assumptions and out right lies!
I'll pick just one. You say that you and I did not promote Charik on my forum.
Have you say this publicly  on my forum which is on my website?!? And many other things about him?


I'm very proud to say Charik is here at this very moment relaxed and happily chewing a great big meaty beef bone. Acts like he's been here forever. This is in the foothills of NC at vomrongermanshepherds.
Thank you Hans!
What ever.  You win. You can type much more words then I can.
Prager Hans


 

Hi  Aloysius17

If the broker in UK is who I think it is, I am sure any guarantees will be upheld with no problems.  If you want to pm to confirm, feel free.

Margaret N-J